4th Form Chilled (50%) vs Vegeta (Post Zenkai)

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4th Form Chilled (50%) vs Vegeta (Post Zenkai); Chilled vs Vegeta (Frieza Saga)
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Nappa	Mar 2 2012, 12:28 AM Post #1
Posts: 80 Group: Duplicate Member #6,567 Joined: August 4, 2011	Who wins?



Balthazor	Mar 2 2012, 12:54 AM Post #2
I'm damn serious Posts: 1,762 Group: Member Member #3,096 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh , Pokemon What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh ,Naruto	He'd still be weak sauce Vegeta stomps on his fat gut
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TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Mar 2 2012, 01:29 AM Post #3
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	Chilled? Who? Thought it meant Coola or Freeza cant be though going by the above answer.
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MysticGotenks	Mar 2 2012, 09:21 AM Post #4
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Chilled loses badly. He was incredibly weak, Veggie would be owning him in his 4th Form state also.
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+ supersaqer	Mar 2 2012, 10:22 AM Post #5
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Why are you downplaying Chilled? Bardock got a Zenkai and I have it higher than Goku's Zenkai. It took SSjin Bardock to beat the ***** outta him. I have Chilled at 10,000,000 or a bit higher. Vegeta was only at 2,500,000. Chilled 50% is at 5,000,000+. He'd stomp really hard.
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Balthazor	Mar 2 2012, 10:31 AM Post #6
I'm damn serious Posts: 1,762 Group: Member Member #3,096 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh , Pokemon What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh ,Naruto	supersaqer Mar 2 2012, 10:22 AM Why are you downplaying Chilled? Bardock got a Zenkai and I have it higher than Goku's Zenkai. It took SSjin Bardock to beat the ***** outta him. I have Chilled at 10,000,000 or a bit higher. Vegeta was only at 2,500,000. Chilled 50% is at 5,000,000+. He'd stomp really hard. If you have chilled that high then you're a cookadoodledoo
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* Lord Cooler	Mar 2 2012, 10:49 AM Post #7
Lord of the Ice-Jins Posts: 3,212 Group: Retired Staff Member #4,582 Joined: November 17, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Bleach and Guyver What Browser do you use? Google chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	wolffanghameha Mar 2 2012, 01:29 AM Chilled? Who? Thought it meant Coola or Freeza cant be though going by the above answer. He was the enemy in the Episode of Bardock special. Frieza's ancestor. Picture below. Spoiler: click to toggle Isn't his little orange suit so cute! Depending on what Zenkai this is, it's a hard match up in my opinion. If it's the Zenkai after Goku and the gang beats him than I would say Chilled has it. But if it's the one on Namek after Krillin blows a hole in him than I would say Vegeta has it. Edited by Lord Cooler, Mar 2 2012, 10:51 AM.
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Balthazor	Mar 2 2012, 11:01 AM Post #8
I'm damn serious Posts: 1,762 Group: Member Member #3,096 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh , Pokemon What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh ,Naruto	LOL at the chilled pic,that just soiled his image. No wonder he wore an hooded cape. I'd give Bardock no more than a PL of 20,000-30,000 I mean Vegetas first 2 Zenkais weren't that big. And Bardock knocked chilled with a punch with Chilled fully acknowledging the fact Bardock was gonna come after him,and then he started bleeding from the lip. Again,these are just my guesstimates,not to be taken in as fact.But using my opinionated Bardock PLs chilled would be about... Chilled:50,000-60,000 He'd be able to take the whole ginyu force members excluding ginyu of course. And then we have his hypothetical transformations... 2nd form-100,000-120,000 3rd form-200,000-240,000 True form-350,000-450,000 (random numbers) So even if he was at 100% I doubt seeing him even beating 3rd form Frieza/post krillen blast Vegeta. But he'd be able to beat SSJ Bardock though
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+ Clearin	Mar 2 2012, 05:22 PM Post #9
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I don't think Chilled can win. Unless Bardock got a huge Zenkai then even using the exact same multipliers Freeza had for his transformations then 50% Chilled wouldn't win. But I don't think he would get the same multipliers anyway since the Final Form is like the "true" form of their race and every other form is just a suppression, so I assume it varies with each character. If his 4th form was truly enough then I assume he'd at least mention that if Bardock gave him time he'd kick the crap out of him, like Freeza did to Goku.



MysticGotenks	Mar 2 2012, 06:59 PM Post #10
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	supersaqer Mar 2 2012, 10:22 AM Why are you downplaying Chilled? Bardock got a Zenkai and I have it higher than Goku's Zenkai. It took SSjin Bardock to beat the ***** outta him. I have Chilled at 10,000,000 or a bit higher. Vegeta was only at 2,500,000. Chilled 50% is at 5,000,000+. He'd stomp really hard. I think you have Chilled WAY to high. Even with allowing for a huge Zenkai boost + 50x SSjin boost, Bardock is still damn weak, would get taken down by 2nd Form Freeza with ease imo. So Although taking Chilled down with ease it wasn't exactly 1 shot finish.
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~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Mar 2 2012, 10:14 PM Post #11
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	First Form Frieza's PL of 530,000 took out Bardock with ease, so Bardock's PL has to be lower than 530,000 in his base. I think we can safely say that Frieza completely wtfstomped Bardock, so a ratio of 20:1 to 15:1 for their power levels should make sense. This puts Bardock's power level from anywhere to 26,500 to 35,000 (assuming we're giving him quite the power, enough to take out Vegeta on Earth). The average of those to numbers is 30,750, which can simply be rounded up to 31,000 to give him his PL for now. Bardock got a zenkai from the clash with Frieza, and if Goku could go from 180,000 to 3,000,000 from the fight with Ginyu, a 20x multiplier from the zenkai Bardock got should work, so his base should be 620,000. Initial SSJ is a multiplier of 50x, so SSJ Bardock has a PL of 31,000,000. Chilled stomped Base Bardock, but was stomped by SSJ Bardock, and the average of these PLs totals up to roughly 16,000,000. It seems high, but this is assuming Frieza is about 20x stronger than Base Bardock. If you want to make Frieza stronger/Bardock weaker, lets just say Frieza is 50x stronger than Bardock. Let me just skip the explanation and give you the PLs: Base Bardock: 10,600 Base Bardock (Zenkai): 212,000 SSJ Bardock: 10,600,000 Chilled: 5,500,000 Even with Bardock at an incredibly low PL, Chilled still has a PL far surpassing Vegeta. (note: the Chilled I used in all these examples is 4th form 50%)



Balthazor	Mar 2 2012, 10:51 PM Post #12
I'm damn serious Posts: 1,762 Group: Member Member #3,096 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh , Pokemon What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh ,Naruto	But there's no way Bardock could've gotten strong whereas vegeta only got two Zenkais that weren't that big. 1st zenkai 18,000->24,000 2nd zenkai 24,000->30,000 His increases weren't that large,the same should he applied to Bardock. Bardock if he had a zenkai that is,is probably in the 30,000 range.And that's even a little pushing it.
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~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Mar 3 2012, 12:10 AM Post #13
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Balthazor Mar 2 2012, 10:51 PM But there's no way Bardock could've gotten strong whereas vegeta only got two Zenkais that weren't that big. 1st zenkai 18,000->24,000 2nd zenkai 24,000->30,000 His increases weren't that large,the same should he applied to Bardock. Bardock if he had a zenkai that is,is probably in the 30,000 range.And that's even a little pushing it. Yes, but Bardock survived the destruction of a planet and planet busting ball of death shot directly at him. Goku had a maximum PL of 180,000, and then he got a zenkai from the fight with Captain Ginyu and his PL shot up to 3,000,000. That's about a 16x multiplier. That is the largest multiplier we see in the series, and it is not even from something on the same scale as being destroyed by a planet-busting ball in outerspace. So, slightly above 16x is 20x, which should fit. If you want to use the smaller zenkais (24/18=1.3 and 30/24=1.25, so 1.275 is the average), then Bardock's minimum PL of 10,600 against Frieza would become 13,515, and 13,515*50=675,570, which IMO, seems very low.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Mar 3 2012, 12:17 AM Post #14
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	if bardock in the new movie was just over 10,000, i would say his zenkai puts him up to about 18,000. 18,000 x 50= 900,000 I think chilled was just under first form frieza in power in order for bardock to stomp. but in no way is vegeta post 1st zenkai catching up to those numbers, until after his zenkai from kuririn and dende. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Mar 3 2012, 12:17 AM.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Mar 3 2012, 01:51 AM Post #15
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Ninjajp247 Mar 3 2012, 12:17 AM if bardock in the new movie was just over 10,000, i would say his zenkai puts him up to about 18,000. 18,000 x 50= 900,000 I think chilled was just under first form frieza in power in order for bardock to stomp. but in no way is vegeta post 1st zenkai catching up to those numbers, until after his zenkai from kuririn and dende. Hmm, well, it really all depends on whether or not you use a large zenkai, because, as I previously used as an example, Goku went from 180,000--->3,000,000 from a thrashing from Captain Ginyu, and this was a longer and more drawn out fight that took much longer to heal from than Vegeta vs. Z Fighters and Vegeta vs. Zarbon and some other fights. If you have a low zenkai, Vegeta stomps Chilled, but if you have a high zenkai, Chilled stomps Vegeta. However, I believe a high zenkai makes more sense, as Bardock survived a planet-busting orb of energy hundreds of time larger and more powerful than him while in the middle of space.



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